11.15.2003

613, not 10 my gentile friends.

Well, well. We are in a big fuss in this country over those tricky 10. But first let's clear some things up before moving onto this fight over a "Christian Country" (notice, everyone will capitalize that C letting you know it's a Protestant country - ergo the country isn't 94% "christian" as everyone likes you to think. It's partly Christian and partly Catholic, and whatever other sects you can think of. Remember, christians in a vacuum will kill each other just the same as other inter-sect fights.)

Ok... but the point is this. First, christianity wasn't founded on the 10 Commandments. In fact I argue the opposite and would have a Pentacostal friend to back me up. The key "commandment" here is going to kill all offending arguments: the fourth. You know it reads: "Remember the Sabbath by keeping it holy, six days you shall labour and do all your work but the seventh is a Sabbath to the LORD your God."

Well, no one in America who isn't a Jew participates in Shabbat. To them, it's mainly a joke when Lieberman ran for office and whatever. Many Jews don't obey this commandment, even Jack Benny [a jew] had a few good Shabbat jokes. But the last person following this is going to be the Pope.

Now, it's just this, Jesus - the guy who started christianity even says basically "wait a minute, you are forgetting what the law is about and have judged me based on the law and not my intentions." Is this not the message of christianity? Mathew 12 says so. The message is, don't listen to the law, listen to your heart. Jesus sought (either as a person or as an agent of/as god). Isn't it also that no one can follow all this religious law - these 613 commandments are too much. Read James 2. The message there is that no one can obey all those laws so just do your best and ask for redemption... right? James 2:10 "For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all. The basis for christianity isn't the law - it's faith and good works, whatever.

"For by thy words thou shalt be justified, and by thy words thou shalt be condemned." Not the law.

"But!" You say. Jesus says to keep all the commandments, actually he says "If you love Me, keep My commandments." John 14:15. All 613? No, as pointed out above. He highlights love thy god, but doesn't touch the other 612, in fact there is complete ignorance of this - as if the Jews in the time of Christ know nothing other than those 10 also. What a joke. I can understand today's christians being ignorant of the roots of their religion but wow! How naive! And still, Jesus goes around on donkeys saying this and that is written - well, doesn't he know about oral law?

But let's examine those 10 while we are here: [visciously copied/stolen from 10-commandments.org]

ONE: 'You shall have no other gods before Me.'

Obviously not in the laws of the USA huh? Pretty sure this would violate the Establishment Clause - what do you think?

TWO: 'You shall not make for yourself a carved image--any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth.'

To a Jew the Torah is a sacred document not to be taken lightly. To this affect a statue of the "10 Commandments" is a graven image, being God's word and all. (now which religious fanatic will disagree with that last statement). So, this would cancel out the argument to keep it up.

THREE: 'You shall not take the name of the LORD your God in vain.'

This one would take years to explain to my Gentile friends that it doesn't mean you can't say "God Dammit" - but shortly it means I couldn't say I swear to god to do this when I know I won't

FOUR: 'Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy.'

Well, we already know what the problem here is.

FIVE: 'Honor your father and your mother.'

You can get a damn divorce from your parents in the United States! There also isn't (and couldn't be) a law making you obey your parents. Shit, this country was founded by killing their forefathers.

SIX: 'You shall not murder.'

Really we do follow this one - but give me one religion, besides something like the Church of The SubGenius, which may actually allow murder. BTW; christians forget this one while things like the Holocaust is happening or while Jews are killed in Spain.. you know.

SEVEN: 'You shall not commit adultery.'

Clinton. Okay, adultery is grounds for a legal divorce in America. Divorce though, as seen by Jesus primarily, is adultry. Sorry there friends.

EIGHT: 'You shall not steal.'

We do follow this, and classify stealing in 9 million ways from fellony theft to larceny...

NINE: 'You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor.'

Not legal in court but okay for everyday life in America.

TEN: 'You shall not covet your neighbor's house; you shall not covet your neighbor's wife, nor his male servant, nor his female servant, nor his ox, nor his donkey, nor anything that is your neighbor's.'

The most misunderstood next to the name in vain thing. People in this country live either on others coveting or by the need to covet others. Keeping up with the Jones today?


Ironically the site I cut/pasted from has the exact reasons why christians shouldn't try to fight about keeping the commandments in buildings. Scroll down to: 10 Commandments: Revealing Our Need for a Savior. If you notice the site is a web of ads for Jesus.

Duh. Still, no mention of the other 613 commandments.

Basically, it's like this[for christians]. The law is too much for one person to follow so god sends his son. He knows he will be murdered (breaking one of 613 commandments) and that is good because he will be a sign for people who break the law. In place of killing an animal god has already killed his son for your sin. Now, does this mean abandon the "big 10". No, it just means to not pay as much attention as spreading the gospel and dying and coming back and all that jazz.

Basically christianity is based on the idea of no law because of this "Christ". The law isn't basis for christianity and christianity maybe the basis of western morals but by no means is the law basis for western morals. Jesus's teachings are. The ones who say "forget the law".

Jesus was very much a "humanist". I'd argue even he was a rebelious guy who wanted to topple all laws of his time, not just Jewish ones. He saw the world hurting because people were too busy being technical about the law. He lost faith in the 'system' so he sought to change it by telling people to not listen to these people anymore.



To read those 613 Commandments visit this page. (not the 10 "Statements" as those 10 are, see this site to understand that statement.)

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