11.15.2003

613, not 10 my gentile friends.

Well, well. We are in a big fuss in this country over those tricky 10. But first let's clear some things up before moving onto this fight over a "Christian Country" (notice, everyone will capitalize that C letting you know it's a Protestant country - ergo the country isn't 94% "christian" as everyone likes you to think. It's partly Christian and partly Catholic, and whatever other sects you can think of. Remember, christians in a vacuum will kill each other just the same as other inter-sect fights.)

Ok... but the point is this. First, christianity wasn't founded on the 10 Commandments. In fact I argue the opposite and would have a Pentacostal friend to back me up. The key "commandment" here is going to kill all offending arguments: the fourth. You know it reads: "Remember the Sabbath by keeping it holy, six days you shall labour and do all your work but the seventh is a Sabbath to the LORD your God."

Well, no one in America who isn't a Jew participates in Shabbat. To them, it's mainly a joke when Lieberman ran for office and whatever. Many Jews don't obey this commandment, even Jack Benny [a jew] had a few good Shabbat jokes. But the last person following this is going to be the Pope.

Now, it's just this, Jesus - the guy who started christianity even says basically "wait a minute, you are forgetting what the law is about and have judged me based on the law and not my intentions." Is this not the message of christianity? Mathew 12 says so. The message is, don't listen to the law, listen to your heart. Jesus sought (either as a person or as an agent of/as god). Isn't it also that no one can follow all this religious law - these 613 commandments are too much. Read James 2. The message there is that no one can obey all those laws so just do your best and ask for redemption... right? James 2:10 "For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all. The basis for christianity isn't the law - it's faith and good works, whatever.

"For by thy words thou shalt be justified, and by thy words thou shalt be condemned." Not the law.

"But!" You say. Jesus says to keep all the commandments, actually he says "If you love Me, keep My commandments." John 14:15. All 613? No, as pointed out above. He highlights love thy god, but doesn't touch the other 612, in fact there is complete ignorance of this - as if the Jews in the time of Christ know nothing other than those 10 also. What a joke. I can understand today's christians being ignorant of the roots of their religion but wow! How naive! And still, Jesus goes around on donkeys saying this and that is written - well, doesn't he know about oral law?

But let's examine those 10 while we are here: [visciously copied/stolen from 10-commandments.org]

ONE: 'You shall have no other gods before Me.'

Obviously not in the laws of the USA huh? Pretty sure this would violate the Establishment Clause - what do you think?

TWO: 'You shall not make for yourself a carved image--any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth.'

To a Jew the Torah is a sacred document not to be taken lightly. To this affect a statue of the "10 Commandments" is a graven image, being God's word and all. (now which religious fanatic will disagree with that last statement). So, this would cancel out the argument to keep it up.

THREE: 'You shall not take the name of the LORD your God in vain.'

This one would take years to explain to my Gentile friends that it doesn't mean you can't say "God Dammit" - but shortly it means I couldn't say I swear to god to do this when I know I won't

FOUR: 'Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy.'

Well, we already know what the problem here is.

FIVE: 'Honor your father and your mother.'

You can get a damn divorce from your parents in the United States! There also isn't (and couldn't be) a law making you obey your parents. Shit, this country was founded by killing their forefathers.

SIX: 'You shall not murder.'

Really we do follow this one - but give me one religion, besides something like the Church of The SubGenius, which may actually allow murder. BTW; christians forget this one while things like the Holocaust is happening or while Jews are killed in Spain.. you know.

SEVEN: 'You shall not commit adultery.'

Clinton. Okay, adultery is grounds for a legal divorce in America. Divorce though, as seen by Jesus primarily, is adultry. Sorry there friends.

EIGHT: 'You shall not steal.'

We do follow this, and classify stealing in 9 million ways from fellony theft to larceny...

NINE: 'You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor.'

Not legal in court but okay for everyday life in America.

TEN: 'You shall not covet your neighbor's house; you shall not covet your neighbor's wife, nor his male servant, nor his female servant, nor his ox, nor his donkey, nor anything that is your neighbor's.'

The most misunderstood next to the name in vain thing. People in this country live either on others coveting or by the need to covet others. Keeping up with the Jones today?


Ironically the site I cut/pasted from has the exact reasons why christians shouldn't try to fight about keeping the commandments in buildings. Scroll down to: 10 Commandments: Revealing Our Need for a Savior. If you notice the site is a web of ads for Jesus.

Duh. Still, no mention of the other 613 commandments.

Basically, it's like this[for christians]. The law is too much for one person to follow so god sends his son. He knows he will be murdered (breaking one of 613 commandments) and that is good because he will be a sign for people who break the law. In place of killing an animal god has already killed his son for your sin. Now, does this mean abandon the "big 10". No, it just means to not pay as much attention as spreading the gospel and dying and coming back and all that jazz.

Basically christianity is based on the idea of no law because of this "Christ". The law isn't basis for christianity and christianity maybe the basis of western morals but by no means is the law basis for western morals. Jesus's teachings are. The ones who say "forget the law".

Jesus was very much a "humanist". I'd argue even he was a rebelious guy who wanted to topple all laws of his time, not just Jewish ones. He saw the world hurting because people were too busy being technical about the law. He lost faith in the 'system' so he sought to change it by telling people to not listen to these people anymore.



To read those 613 Commandments visit this page. (not the 10 "Statements" as those 10 are, see this site to understand that statement.)

LEE v. WEISMAN, 505 U.S. 577 (1992)

From findlaw
"The Establishment Clause was inspired by the lesson that in the hands of government what might begin as a tolerant expression of religious views may end in a policy to indoctrinate and coerce. Prayer exercises in elementary and secondary schools carry a particular risk of indirect coercion. Engel v. Vitale, 370 U.S. 421 ; School Dist. of Abington v. Schempp, 374 U.S. 203 . The school district's supervision and control of a high school graduation ceremony places subtle and indirect public and peer pressure on attending students to stand as a group or maintain respectful silence during the invocation and benediction. A reasonable dissenter of high school age could believe that standing or remaining silent signified her own participation in, or approval of, the group exercise, rather than her respect for it. And the State may not place the student dissenter in the dilemma of participating or protesting. Since adolescents are often susceptible to peer pressure, especially in matters of social convention, the State may no more use social pressure to enforce orthodoxy than it may use direct means. The embarrassment and intrusion of the religious exercise cannot be refuted by arguing that the prayers are of a de minimis character, since that is an affront to the rabbi and those for whom the prayers have meaning, and since any intrusion was both real and a violation of the objectors' rights. Pp. 590-594."

So how is this different from other cases? Even if I'm an adult, even as a Jew, I'm supposed to feel reverence for christianity because they "gave" us the 10 Commandments. I disagree and why do I have to be put in that position of needing to fight them? I disapprove and a summons to court would in fact put me in the position of looking at that monument in disgust (and protesting or being silent and accepting).

Look; I don't care if you assume that those 10 are the laws we founded this nation on or not... it isn't true. In fact we founded this nation on a model of Roman government (being one non-Judeo-Christian example of many) and this won't be flaunted because as we all know the Romans killed anyone believing in less than two gods.

Check the next post...

I know, I promised a huge all out war...

I was getting ready to post a rant (well, just go off actually) about "This Christian Nation" but while doing so I got distracted, of course.

The thing is, when you start to look around the only ones who support that notion are cunts like Ann Coulter. Yes, I called her a cunt. You know: C.an't U.nderstand N.ormal T.hinking.

So, I'm going to just be putting up some quotes or whatever and ranting on them first. Consider the "Christian Nation" debate on hold for research. I really do want to make a good case so you don't buy that crap any longer.




Well, first the most ridiculous thing I've ever seen: The Ann Coulter Doll. Right after linking to it from "townhall.com", a conservative site, I noticed that they write up about Jessica Simpson and how she's evil or whatever. Geez... Conservatives hate everything and everyone. [It's not your job to tell us what should be entertaining guys. Maybe we watch because she's dumb. And brains are no requirement for pure sexual appeal. You shouldn't have to feel bad if she turns you on.]

So... anyways there is this Coulter doll which is nothing more than a talking Barbie doll. Real grown up and all that. Ann it goes with most of your writings, silly, you don't use facts to defend you just insult the opponent. Well: you are a whore [on many levels]. To think I actually agreed with her earlier today.

The best though is the "Coulterisms" this doll spews:
"Liberals can't just come out and say they want to take more of our money, kill babies, and discriminate on the basis of race."

Okay - wtf? Take our money for what? Welfare, roads, wars, running congress etc? Taxes are a way of life. Imagine if we paid no taxes at all, none. Wouldn't that be a lot worse? Wouldn't that cause more problems? Kill babies - must be talking about abortion. Well, Ann, not all liberals support pro-choice and some that do don't support the actual act of aborting babies (just the ability to make a choice). Just as many Catholics support some methods of birth control; it would be wrong to say "all Catholics are against all firms of birth control". It's not true. And the last point, Afirmative Action. Well, I guess you can say that it is discrimination against whites but that is ubsurd. But that isn't the point, we are talking about liberals not the issues associated with them. She doesn't come out and say these things are bad, just liberals for believing in them. Well guess what Ann? George W. Bush at least claims to support afirmative action - just not quotas. And really no one does support quota systems - so shove it.

Of course her stlye is to say ridiculous shit and hope someone actually believes it. Kinda like that president we have.

Another "Coulterism" is this gem:
"Liberals hate America, they hate flag-wavers, they hate abortion opponents, they hate all religions except Islam, post 9/11. Even Islamic terrorists don't hate America like Liberals do. They don't have the energy. If they had that much energy, they'd have indoor plumbing by now."

Well Ann, how hateful of you. Rather, how prejudicial. The definition of prejudice: " Irrational suspicion or hatred of a particular group, race, or religion." At the fear of sounding like a liberal - how is that good? What a christian huh? "They, They, They." Ann's favorite word. Them.... it's their fault. Whomever that is from day to day - who knows. But hate America?

I had the chance of seeing Michael Moore recently and at first I would write him off as a liberal nutcase but it isn't true. When he starts to talk and the truth comes out it makes sense. They say he hates America - but as he said "I thought that was the reason I was doing this." We can only change America by saying things that the others may not agree with. That is why I wouldn't say Ann hates America - although she hates my view of America. And that is the problem. Liberals hate Conservatives and Conservatives hate Liberals - both hate what the other wants for America and that is natural. To say that liberals (as a collective) hate America is damaging to our system, the American system. You know... and this seems like a joke... but it seems that Ann is somewhat similar to Hitler.

Well, to get ahead she goes after "liberals" as if they were Germany's Jews or Communists. Consider this Hitler quote:
"It is manifestly clear and has been proven in practice and by the facts of all revolutions that a struggle for ideals, for improvements of any kind whatsoever, absolutely must be supplemented with a struggle against some social class or caste."

or this:
"The main plank in the National Socialist program is to abolish the liberalistic concept of the individual and the Marxist concept of humanity and to substitute for them the folk community, rooted in the soil and bound together by the bond of its common blood." (Adolph Hitler, quoted in Hitler, A Study in Tyranny, by Alan Bullock (Harper Collins, NY))


Isn't that the goal of Coulter and others? Not destroy the individual but the notion, the "liberalistic" notion, of personal rights (which are given under the Constitution, such as free speech - disagreement with the status quo). Then the next step is to get everyone together as "Americans" patriots who hate Islam (good idea Ann, let's confirm the fears of people like Osama - "We hate Islam". I wanted you to give them gas to throw on the fire.). We are a "Christian Nation" right? So not only as Americans do we have a duty to destroy innocent god fearing folks abroad but we must get rid of the non-Christians at home who threaten our "history".


Actually - I'm so mad that I can barely keep this up. But one more quote:
"I believe today that my conduct is in accordance with the will of the Almighty Creator." [Adolph Hitler, _Mein Kampf_, pp. 46]
Compare that to this:
"God told me to strike at al Qaida and I struck them, and then he instructed me to strike at Saddam, which I did, and now I am determined to solve the problem in the Middle East. If you help me I will act, and if not, the elections will come and I will have to focus on them." Source



Okay... Break in the action

Linux The Movie?

Hell yes kids, a 3D model of the Linux Kernel... compares two points the early and later kernel.

More anger.

Maybe this blog will be all rants?

Any ways I found this doing a regular search and was immediately angry at a few things.

First, why is it people have to hate something or think it doesn't have a place in this world because they disagree.

This is their, the Parents Television Council, thought of "Will & Grace"

This sitcom about an unusual best-friends combination -- a straight woman and a gay man -- serves up large amounts of both hetero- and homosexual humor. Concerning the latter, most notable are the numerous wisecracks about the sex life of Will's flamboyant gay friend Jack. For example, when Jack complains that he "can't pee in public bathrooms," Will wonders, "Why not? You do everything else in them." In another episode, a lap dance from a female stripper arouses Jack, a response that worries him until he learns the stripper is a transsexual-in-the-making who, not yet having had all the necessary surgery, remains, for the time being, male from the waist down. "Thank God!" Jack exclaims. "I'm still gayer than Christmas!"


The only thing I see here, besides a complete misunderstanding of kids vs. adult TV is that if you are gay you must be anti-family. Oh, and if you say anything about religion then you must have a problem with families also. [My problem with this page isn't that they are "pro-censorship" as some would understand. In fact I think that parents ought to educate each other and themselves instead of going after us responsible adults. My fear is always that they will galvanize their voice to in fact censor a great deal of things.]

And this is the problem today. If you are a firefighters you are a hero no matter what. Well, a local firemen shot a black kid with a BB Gun - racist act indeed. If you are gay you hate the family structure. If you don't believe in Jesus you are against morals.

Whatever it is, it's non-sense. That site actually is praising shows like Joan of Arcadia and networks like CBS (which aired a show, the one about a possible Jesus-child) as family friendly. Who's family? Personally I like that show Joan of Arcadia but my religious beliefs aren't the same as that supposed 94% who all agree 100%. I, in a way, am offended at the show because I don't know who is behind it and what their total message is.

A Catholic, Christian, Muslim and Jew (me) could all agree on a belief in/of one god. But we will never agree on anything else.

Even Catholics and Christians don't agree and their names are interchangeable regardless of what people say. [Catholic, spelled catholic means " Of or relating to the universal Christian church", Christians, spelled christian means "Professing belief in Jesus as Christ or following the religion based on the life and teachings of Jesus." Basically, if they agreed we could drop this capital letter shit.]

Is the message of a show like Joan of Arcadia to believe in christianity? Because if it is it is definitely against what I would like my family to believe. And the show about a Jesus-child (his child) would only help an argument against that good moral christianity.

It's like being a liberal (look up catholic, you'll be surprised when you see it means liberal). Being a "liberal" means you are against terrorists and whatever... It's dumb.

But this leads me to my main point. You are either on our side or not and we will do everything in our power to keep you on that side so we can kill you. This is the way of all things, because memes spread faster than genes we are meme factories. Read the best book, IMHO, The Lucifer Principle to get a better understanding of why we do this to each other so much.

And what side are you on? Are you a Christian? Because if so there is a list of things which you aren't allowed to do. In many ways today's Christian leaders (the president being among this group) are the Pharisees of yesterday... Funny how that whole story of why Jesus even came is being repeated but with Christians and not Jews? Hrmmm... Seems like the story holds little water when you get deeper into it.

So I'm going to start a new post...